Pogge's becoming a forgotten man

Michael Traikos, Canwest News Service

Published: Tuesday, July 21, 2009

TORONTO - Potential is no longer mentioned when talking about Justin Pogge.

Toronto Maple Leafs goalie Justin Pogge reacts after letting in a third goal against the Boston Bruins in their NHL hockey game in Toronto March 28, 2009.

Toronto Maple Leafs goalie Justin Pogge reacts after letting in a third goal against the Boston Bruins in their NHL hockey game in Toronto March 28, 2009.

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It has been five years since he was drafted 90th overall by the Toronto Maple Leafs, and more than three years since he backstopped Canada to a gold medal victory at the world junior championship. And after a disastrous NHL debut, it has been months since anyone within the franchise referred to the 23-year-old as the club's goaltender of the future.

Instead, with the team having recently signed Swedish free agent Jonas Gustavsson to challenge for the Leafs' No. 1 spot - and with prospect James Reimer expected to start the season for the Toronto Marlies - Pogge is now in danger of being the goaltender who is simply forgotten.

"Justin Pogge is basically comparable to a child actor, who's had success at a young age and just can't handle it mentally," said Steve McKichan, who was the Leafs' goaltending coach from 2005-06 through 2007-08.

"You see the railroad wreck in a lot of cases of child actors when they become adults. In some degree, when the same type of success comes early to athletes, unless you have the coping skills and support around you, it's difficult to handle that type of centre-stage pressure. Some can push through it and some can't."

Like the child actor who has difficulty landing an audition once his voice matures, Pogge has had his share of growing pains. In three years with the American Hockey League's Marlies, he was mediocre at best. And in seven games with the Leafs last season, he posted a 1-4-1 record with a bloated 4.36 goals-against average.

Still, it might be too early to give up on a six-foot-three goaltender whose development might have been stunted in the spotlight.

"I have full faith that he can be a great NHL goaltender," said McKichan.

"And I have no doubt, that if handled properly and if he matures as a human being, that he'll be able to do it. He has the physical skills. He's a tireless worker. And he's extremely coachable.

"There's nothing bad I can say about him. He's just a young kid who got put into a difficult situation. He came in as the saviour - and not to take anything away from him - but he's got to earn his stripes."

Pogge never asked to be the saviour. No one ever does. But when the team traded former first-round pick Tuukka Rask to the Boston Bruins for Andrew Raycroft in 2007, the fate of the Leafs' goaltending future rested solely on his shoulders.

That pressure was only amplified last season when Pogge made his long-awaited NHL debut in December. At the time, Leafs general manager Brian Burke made it clear that Pogge had not earned the promotion. But with the team out a playoff spot, it was as good a time as any to evaluate his development.

It was not an ideal situation. Though Pogge won his first NHL game against the lowly Atlanta Thrashers, he was back in the minors the next day. A month went by before he was recalled again.

Out of rhythm and rusty, he lost each of his next five starts, confirming what Burke and others seemed to already know: Pogge was not the future of the Leafs.

"When you're set up with that type of media approach that you haven't earned the opportunity, but we're going to put you in anyway, any goalie is going to find it extremely difficult, especially in the fishbowl of Toronto," said McKichan. "He was destined to fail."

The team is apparently not taking the same approach with Gustavsson. The 23-year-old, who has no NHL experience and limited exposure to North American ice surfaces, is exempt from participating in rookie camp. And, unlike Pogge, he will have the benefit of honing his craft under Francois Allaire.

"The saving grace now is that you've got the best goalie coach in the history of the NHL working with the Leafs," McKichan said. "So if anybody can turn it around in that development it's Francois Allaire, who I have the utmost respect for."

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your comments
Josh
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 12:18 AM
Give him time in the ahl start in 2011
Jojo
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 12:20 AM
with Francois Allaires tuttering I thinkGustavson & Pogge could be the best 1-2 tandom in the history of the NHL
Peter Puck
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 12:46 AM
Pogge? Nice guy. But, nice don't cut it in the big scheme of things. can't say he wasn't given a fair shot.
Mike
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 12:59 AM
yah jojo dont get your hopes up, pogge wont make it to the big times anytime soon and leaf FANS ALWAYS OVER HYPE THEIR PLAYERS, i mean gustavsson didnt even play in the nhl yet and they think hes a god. Please, i hope he has a mediocre season. SEL isnt like the NHL at all.
coop
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 03:56 AM
Allaires Gustavson and pogge sounds like a triple play to me
Belfast Pete
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 04:06 AM
Pogge is not washed up yet by any means. Many young goalies go through this as part of their development. Look how long Ryan Miller was in the minors for. It's a good place for Pogge to develop still. He will have his hands full though with a consistent James Reimer competing with him for a starting place. If Reimer wins that coveted starters spot over Pogge, then his position with the Leafs will be untenable.
Clark
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 08:11 AM
Mike, Did you see the Leafs goaltending last year? Joseph was done, Toskala looked awful, and Gerber was average at best. The Leafs' goaltending was a black hole, and Burke added the best goaltender not playing in the NHL. So I think as Leaf fans we're permitted to be a bit excited about it. Also, newsflash: It's not only Leaf fans who overrate their players. I'd venture that every team does it.
Shawn
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 08:44 AM
"Who's Pogge?" Haha. I agree, with all this talk of Gustavsson, everyone has let Pogge slip under the radar. I don't know why people have thrown this kid under the bus for a couple of mediocre showings in goal for a horrendous Leafs team. Personally, I think he should be given a two-year deal and told, "You've got two more years to prove you belong in this organization, and we're going to give you every opportunity to do so." Give him the starter's reins in the Marlies for the next season under the new coach and have Francois Allaire work with him as well as 'Goose.' With Toskala on his last year and Goose unproven in the NHL so far, it doesn't hurt to have an insurance policy that costs you nothing but the league minimum.
Diego
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 08:59 AM
"..when the team traded former first-round pick Tuukka Rask to the Boston Bruins for Andrew Raycroft in 2007, the fate of the Leafs' goaltending future rested solely on his shoulders." I have to disagree. Raycroft was young enough at the time that you'd think the Leafs would have expected HIM to be the goalie of the present (at the time) and future. If Pogge didn't work out down the road, there was time to develop someone else...
Pogge isn't ready for the NHL
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 09:47 AM
He still needs AHL time. Gustavsson might be the answer. Get rid of Toskala.
shawn
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 10:12 AM
Gustavsson is the future, Pogge needs to go maybe we can get a draft or a 3rd line fwd. Pogge spent his time in the AHL got is chance in the NHL and coudn't do it thats it gotta go, this is professional hockey not no baby sport. If u can handle the pressure great if not ur gone
HOCKEY GURU
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 10:22 AM
Pogge will have another chance to redeem himself with FA. If he doesn't show progress of becoming a starting NHL goaltender or a very consistent backup at worst he will be shipped to another team for a draft pick, either this coming season or the following. If FA is able to turn Pogge around....JG and JP could be a great duo in 2-3years time. If JG steps up to take over #1 spot look for VT to be traded late in the season or sometime in 2010-2011.
Let the performance decide
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 10:29 AM
Goalies are funny creatures... Pogge could have a great year. Toskala was injured so let's give him a clean slate. The point here is whoever is playing the best gets the starts.. let Gustavsson, Toskala and Pogge battle it out. And it should be based on performance not contract size or perception.
mlf
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 11:19 AM
Pogge is definitely an asset. Remember he hasn't had an all star defence to protect him. Perhaps with a few bodies to clear the front of the net, he might surprise everyone. Start with the next Calder Cup for an eventual Stanley Cup nucelous team!
Ken Beebbe
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 11:52 AM
Trade Pogge to the Habs for Price. Gainey might go for this he's on a role for making bad moves.
Simon
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 12:37 PM
Pogge will become a better goalie with Allaire. Hopefully become a steady back up in 2011.
brent kearns
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 12:44 PM
some goalies take time to mature . example Tim Thomas for the bruins.pogge is still young maybe in time he could be another Thomas.
BERT
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 01:22 PM
LETS BE HONEST. IT IS REALY HARD. FOR A GOALIE ,WITH NO NHL EXPERIENCE. SUCH AS POGGE, TO BE TOSSED IN THE FIRE. I THINK POGGE IS GOING TO BE A GOOD GOALIE. WHY YOU ASK. GOOD QUESTION, HERE IS MY ANSWER.HE HAS TO CONTROL IN EMOTIONS. POGGE NEEDS TO FOCUS ON STOPING THE PUCK.INSTEAD HE IS IN FEAR OF MAKING A MISTAKE. JUSTIN POGGE YOU ARE AGOOD GOALIE, GO OUT AND HAVE FUN ,PLAYING THE GAME YOU LOVE. EVERYTHING ELSE WILL FALL INTO PLACE, GO LEAFS
KD
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 02:16 PM
Of course he's a forgotten man. His goaltending is certainly forgettable. Or is that regrettable?
Let 'er Rip!
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 02:37 PM
It's awesome to listen to all of the "never got a sniff of the NHL" people who have maybe seen Pogge play a handful of times completely rip the guy. Why not just wait and see what happens? Everyone seems to require answers right now when it comes to "is this guy gonna be a player". Give the guy a fair chance before talking like idiots!
DEE DEE LLOYD
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 03:21 PM
People love to be critical of others, especially when they falter. Pogge still has potential; he just needs to develop some consistency. Goalies take time - the jury's still out on this guy.
MTG
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 04:08 PM
Maybe with the hype being placed on Gustavsson now, Pogge might do better without all the pressure...... We will just have to wait and see.
Smith
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 05:15 PM
Toskala, Gustavsson, Pogge, Reimer....pretty good top 4 in the system....not many other teams (maybe 2-3 others) have this kind of potential goaltending in their roster and system. These guys all have potential to be #1s...excluding VT. If Gustavsson steps up to the hype and can be a Superstar goaltending in the league and Pogge can turn things around, then all you critics will be silenced and goaltending in Toronto will be a non issue for years to come. If one of them faulters then they will be banished forever!!!!
Glen S
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 05:32 PM
The game I seen Pogge play for the Leafs against B the Leaf defence let the B's roam through the crease. Two goals off deflections directly in front and one goal the B forward knocked him down then scored. Simply not a chance for the kid, so give him a break.
Dole
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 06:03 PM
So if he loses his job, will he go on the pogey? This McKitchen guy seems classy in praising his replacement -- and that replacement will probably turn pogge around...
Rink
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 06:25 PM
Risebrough got a second chance in Minnesota for what? 8 years? Is Gainey not his equal in ineptitude? How about that clown in Atlanta that gets fleeced regularly? What about Snow and his 15 year deal for Dipietro? Point is there are at least a half dozen GMs in the league as dumb as Dougie R; the sad part is most of them have already been fleeced of their talent.....
Rink
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 06:29 PM
It was only a matter of time before some fool made an EI crack. Anyone with any measurable level of intellegence lets the easy ones slip by......
Allaire/Roy
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 06:39 PM
Sometimes I wonder out loud who's idea it was to take Roy's pads and slowly, weasally, double them in size over a ten year period? Was this Roy's stroke of genius/poor sportsmanship or Allaire's? I wonder if the faux-god Patrick would have won any awards or championships at all had he wore Billy Smith's pads his entire career or chose not to put 2X4's on his shoulders and Gene Simmons style batwings under his arms, used 18" pizza pans for catching mits, blockers the size of plywood sheets and adding an additional inch to his pads every year over his entire career. Hopefully Allaire teaches Toskala, Gustavsson and Pogge something other than this nefarious "skill"......
johnny5
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 07:13 PM
I've been a leaf fan for 34 yrs now...Toskala is a great goalie i think he will pull through for us ...pogge still needs tenderizing,confidence level just isn't there right now....gerber was a great pickup in my opinion and could easily be a great mentor for upcomming goalies...as for gustavson, he better be ready for shell shocking from the media and the fans...give the boys time i think there going to be a exciting team to watch this year.
Leafs#1
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 07:57 PM
In Burke we trust! Go Burke Go!
Idiots
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 10:43 PM
So many opinions with so little knowledge. Opinions on Gustavson? Exactly how many SEL games did you see him play in last year? Please give me your scouting report. How can you expect anybody to take you seriously when you base your opinions on the team you support and not actual facts. Is Gustavson going to dominate? I don't know. I have never seen the kid play. Can un-drafted kids come over and become legitimate starting goaltenders? I think Jonas Hiller (who Burke got in Anaheim) would atest to that. They can also flop. Point is I don't know and unless you got SEL Centre Ice neither do you you morons. As for Pogge, he's shown he has the athletic ability but hasn't proven he can get it done at a level higher than Junior. If Francois Allaire can't make something out of him then nobody will. And as for you idiots saying "The Leafs will never win the Cup" blah blah blah, the goal isn't to win the Cup this year. Please give me your definition of re-building. If you don't think it takes time and patience then you are even dumber than I thought.
wyn juan soon
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 10:52 PM
No Dole, Pogge wont qualify for the pogey, but he should consider going over to the KHL for a couple of years to sharpen the skills in that premium beer league. Better than playing in the AHL for a team that has already put you in the failed prospect file.
Brian
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 11:07 PM
If was Pogge's agent I would go into Burke's office and say this kid needs a change of scenery. How about LA or Atlanta where there is no microscope and he can develop. This kids has the tools but needs to find a place were hockey is not number 1 and can just worry about developing his game. I am sure a second round pick would be good or a current roster player.
@idiots
Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 11:11 PM
The average avid hockey fan has more common sense than that of the collective of experts linking minds forming a meta-concert to make "one" business decision. MLSE isn't stupid. The poles revealed that the mighty empire was dwindling in than fan support was plummeting. Naturally, the signing of Gustavson was one big P.R. extravaganza that promoted two things; one being rejuvenating interest in Leaf land and the other being that this undrafted Swede might just turn out to be a late bloomer gem obscured in the rough..
hector
Thu, Jul 23, 09 at 04:55 AM
The KHL is not a beer league. It is a real professional elite division.It will compete for the premium European players now and in the future.
hector
Thu, Jul 23, 09 at 05:01 AM
Was reading the comment about goalie pads. How true.Modern tech does not need all this padding.Check out older pics of Dryden.Smaller pads sure would make the scoring a lot higher and the skills of a goaltender would show. Then the good ones can get paid there 7 mil. salary.
jamie
Thu, Jul 23, 09 at 09:32 AM
Goalies don't even mature until around 28 years old. Pogge was thrown under the bus last year. Give him time.
hector
Thu, Jul 23, 09 at 04:55 PM
I will be selling racos at my raco stand in Russia this year. berry berry good.
@@idiots
Thu, Jul 23, 09 at 06:04 PM
"The average avid hockey fan has more common sense than that of the collective of experts linking minds forming a meta-concert to make "one" business decision." - No they don't. The average hockey fan is borderline retarded and as a Leaf fan I have to say some Leaf fans are among the worst. "MLSE isn't stupid. The poles revealed that the mighty empire was dwindling in than fan support was plummeting" - Please attach evidence to support this claim. I'd like to see where you pulled it from.
I will Use a Differnt ID
Fri, Jul 24, 09 at 06:10 AM
former real hector. Don't sell racos
JustYouW8
Sun, Jul 26, 09 at 11:16 PM
he hasn't proven himself yet, but i seen the games he played and there didnt seem to be a team in front of him.. wasnt given a fair chance.. i wouldnt give up on him yet, especially with Allaire here, he has all the qualities that an Allaire-like goalie has.. size and athletism. i'd hold on to him for another year and let him and Reimer battle it out for the Marlies.. who else besides Reimer wil play for them?
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